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I heard this on the radio last night, so I went out an found it. A poll asking about whether having a woman candidate would affect their vote, because of the gender.
It would certianly affect mine. Would a women president be able to send another mother's son off to war? Would she be able to have the respect of the congress? Because women in general are more succeptable to emotions, how would this affect social programs?
*hunkering down for major attack*
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Still didn't answer the questions.
Arguements are fun, but what would you do if I did belive this?
Liz,
Can you clarify what you mean by "if she/he weren't feminist"? What kind of feminism are you referring to?
-" I'd think that the poll was taken by people who didn't like Hillary or Condi."-
No offense, but that stament has no substanciantion.
-"I mean the kind of feminism that is for abortion choice, that states that men and women are the same, and that thinks that women that decide to stay at home instead of a career are lazy, etc."-
The kind of feminisim that supports murder, Affermative action in the workplace, and the kind that want kids brainwashed at gov. instutuions.
Yes. The people gripping about women being paid less then men...
The market pays what it wnats. Deal with it.
Liz. First of all, I think feminism has shifted course since the days of insulting the home-maker, indeed some worry (myself included) that feminism is dying out. (I would say your comments, and Palm boy's support that theory :) Secondly, how do you think men and women are different? Obviously, there are genetic strengths and weaknesses in the two sexes, but I would hasten to point to the few but mighty female CEO's and executives out there. I would remind you about all women have accomplished since the birth of feminism, and ask you to think about how our lives have improved as a result.
Palm boy, you are placing an awful lot of faith in the market here. If it is right that the market should pay women less than men for the same work, is it also right that it should pay third-world children 10 cents a day to make your sneakers?
Acceptance of a female president may break down differently with generations. I have always had female authority figures and I really have no problems with a female president. I don't think they will be softer at wartime, either.
I do have serious prejudicial feelings about women, but none that would keep them from the oval office. (I think women do not have the artistic capacity of a man-men are better writers, painters, chefs).
Noe feminist? What? You misdefine feminism. It is about giving the freedom, opportunity and equality to women to even enter the abortion debate on the same footing as a man. It is about equal rights, not about demanding that genders are the same.
Stop your insistance that "feminism" means abortionists. Or I will insist that the proper definition of "conservative" is assmunch.
personally I would not know what to think if a woman became president. It does matter that there is a difference (between men and women) both emotionally and physically but it also depends on the person. I would have to be dragged over 300 miles of broken glass before I would vote for Hillary but with a different woman I might for... there is a BIG difference in the emotional department.
*now answering palmboy's question*
I would hope that if our country needed to defend itself that she (the imaginary female president)would do what is best for us all and "send another mother's son off to war". Also if she was president the congress should respect her no matter what, their personal bias's they can keep to themselves. I would not know how it would affect social programs, that would depend on the woman.
-"Also if she was president the congress should respect her no matter what, their personal bias's they can keep to themselves"-
Ok, but they should also respect Bush. How many of them do that?
-"Palm boy, you are placing an awful lot of faith in the market here. If it is right that the market should pay women less than men for the same work, is it also right that it should pay third-world children 10 cents a day to make your sneakers?"-
Ah, but we don't have that in the US, now do we?
"Ok, but they should also respect Bush. How many of them do that?"
Well palm boy, it is an adults responsibility to respect people in power. I am not Catholic but I do respect the Pope. The Pope was and is a very powerful position over he estimated 1 billion catholics. I absolutely abhorred president Clinton, but i respected him as he leader of this country. Even if he did not act honorably in office.
--"Ah, but we don't have that in the US, now do we?"--
Yes we do. America has had sweatshops throughout its history and continues to have sweatshops today. But that is not my point.
Your justification for men earning more than women for identical work is that "The market pays what it wnats." This makes the Market accountable for whether unequal pay is right or wrong. Considering that morality and capitalism could not be more divergent, I ask you, without griping and in all seriousness: Why should men and women be paid different amounts for the same work?
I don't know. But it might depend on the job.
The amount of pay depends on the amount of work, the quality of work, and the timelyness(sp?) of it.
Ok. If president Bush is in power, how many of the senators and congress men acctually respect him? How many liberal americans have called him a Liar, warmonger, or traitor? That does not sound like the words of one who respects that someone.
How would a women deal with these accusations? Would there be a different response then the one Bush has given(Ignore it)?
An unanswered question:
--Why should men and women be paid different amounts for the same work?--
Let me be clear: People who do different kinds of work, who put in different hours, who have different levels of education and experience, and who have differing levels of responsibility deserve to be compensated differently. Men and women who hold the same position and accomplish the same tasks and hold the same degrees deserve to be compensated identically.
And they're not. Today is "Pay Inequity Awareness Day," according to the Coalition of Labor Union Women. This is the day "U.S. women will finally reach the earnings mark that their male counterparts achieved by Dec. 31 of last year." "Even though the Equal Pay Act was passed more than 40 years ago, women working full time, year round, still make only 76 cents for every dollar that a man makes. It's even worse if your skin happens to be black or brown. Black women get 66 cents and Latinos only 55 cents." And that's not griping, that's a fact.
Palm boy, since you have seen fit to mock the very real problem of inequal pay between and women, a problem that extends to the pay disparity between whites and minorities, I ask you again -- Why should men be paid more than women? And further, why shouldn't they gripe about it when it happens?
Anonymous says "it might depend on the job" but I've already removed that variable. I'm talking about pay inequity solely determined by sex. Are women inherently less skillful? Are they less educated? Do they produce work of inferior quality? Do they deserve to be punished for having children when fatherhood carries no economic risks? Do you believe they deserve to be paid less?
Palm boy, I agree entirely with your last comment: "The amount of pay depends on the amount of work, the quality of work, and the timeliess of it." Exactly. It has nothing to do with one's sex.
While you may have removed the factor of men and women doing different work, the study did not, and it took an overall assesment of the american workplace. However, men and women do not have a 50/50 split in every avenue of work.
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